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In part two of their conversation, Anne and Brian Arbor delve into the complexities of trauma and PTSD. They explore the efficacy of personal development in addressing PTSD and emphasize the importance of healing rather than merely transforming trauma. Brian shares his personal experiences with PTSD and the limitations of self-help tools, highlighting the need for professional and the acknowledgment of emotional responses. The discussion underscores the significance of understanding trauma as a progressive condition that requires ongoing attention and care. RESOURCES & LINKS:  From Brian Arbor if you are a Veteran and you need help please go to https://www.veteranscrisisline.net/  Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation and find other pods and resources →  https://isthisacultbook.com/  If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein  https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/  MODERATION NOTE:  While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted.  FINALLY  Please consider ing this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel.  Contributing also s the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE.  https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8giving

In this conversation we invited former Landmark Staffer and Army combat veteran Brian Arbor to delve into the complex interplay between personal transformational tools and the toughest of living circumstances, deployment to an active war zone. We explore Brian's journey through PTSD recovery, his experiences with the Landmark Worldwide, and the impact of both in war including identity and purpose. The discussion highlights the dangers of disassociation, the importance of hope and purpose in healing, and the challenges faced by individuals in high-control environments. Ultimately, they reflect on the burdens of trauma and the necessity of addressing the emotional and psychological aspects of recovery with the proper tools. CONTENT Advisory: Please be aware that in this episode, Brian discusses challenging experiences involving children from his combat deployment. This content may be sensitive or distressing. We encourage you to listen at your own pace, taking breaks as needed, and prioritize your well-being. Part two, which will be released later this week, will delve deeper into the recovery strategies and techniques Brian has utilized.RESOURCES & LINKS: From Brian Arbor if you are a Veteran and you need help please go to https://www.veteranscrisisline.net/ Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation and find other pods and resources → https://isthisacultbook.com/ If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-... MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted.

In this conversation I (Anne) invited Dr. John Hunter and Dr. Ed Gurowitz to delve into the complexities of transformational methodologies, particularly focusing on large group awareness trainings (LGATs). We discussed the potential benefits and risks associated with these methodologies, the ethical implications of their practices, and the importance of informed consent. Our conversation emphasizes the need for regulation and ability in the personal development industry, advocating for a more educated consumer base and safer practices. RESOURCES & LINKS You can check out Dr. John Hunters work at https://johnhunterphd.com/#about-me Dr John’s Article explaining LGATS in 1000 words or less https://thoughtleader.co.za/the-first-rule-of-large-group-awareness-trainings/?amp Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation and find other pods and resources → https://isthisacultbook.com/ If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/ MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider ing this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing also s the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8giving

In this episode we meet up with Ann Betz, Co-founder of BEabove Leadership and an expert on the intersection of neuroscience, coaching, trauma and human transformation. Ann speaks, trains and coaches internationally, and writes about neuroscience and coaching as well as relational trauma. TRIGGER Warning … In this episode we discuss employment abuse, domestic abuse and strangulation specifically from the 38m - 43m mark. If you have experienced these types of behaviors in any environment this discussion could be triggering or upsetting. Please take care of yourself. Together we explore the nuances of coaching, the impact of neuroscience on personal development, and the challenges of navigating toxic relationships. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the line between genuine coaching and manipulation. Through our personal experience and professional insights, we aim to shed light on the complexities of enrollment in transformational programs, the impact of self-worth on personal growth, and the nuances of long-term transformation. We discuss the importance of perception shifts, the four levels required to integrate any “transformation” or new understanding as well as the role of emotions in personal development. The dialogue emphasizes the need for integration and stabilization in the growth process, while also questioning who truly benefits from these transformational spaces. RESOURCES: Learn more about Ann’s coaching www.beaboveleadershsip.com You can also follow her blog about narcissism www.butnowIknowyourname.wordpress.com Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation and find other pods and resources → https://isthisacultbook.com/ If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-... MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider ing this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing also s the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8g...

I LOVED this conversation with my book publisher Angela Kingdon. On this one year anniversary of writing my first book Is This A Cult? Angela and I explore the complex dynamics of personal transformation, the fine line between empowerment and exploitation, and the impact of cult-like structures in personal development. We reflect on VERY serendipitous meeting as well as our own journeys of writing, coaching, and navigating the challenges of authenticity and privilege. Our discussion emphasizes the importance of self-reflection, community , and the need for ethical practices in coaching and leadership. RESOURCES & LINKS: Check out Angela’s SubStack & Podcast https://www.autisticculturepodcast.com/podcast Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation and find other pods and resources → https://isthisacultbook.com/ If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/ MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider ing this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing also s the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8giving

In this conversation, Brandie Hadfield, MLM recovery advocate and I explore the complex dynamics of exploitation and transformation within the personal development and multi-level marketing (MLM) industries. We discuss Brandie's personal journey from being involved in MLMs to becoming an advocate against their harmful practices. We delved into the allure of MLMs for young mothers, the misleading promises of residual income, and the psychological impact of these organizations. We also emphasize the importance of informed consent, the need for transparency in business practices, and the role of community in both ing and exploiting individuals. Ultimately, we highlight the journey of awakening and healing from MLM involvement, advocating for ethical business models and consumer protection legislation. RESOURCES & LINKS: Subscribe to Brandie’s Substack https://brandiehadfield.substack.com/ Follow Brandie on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/brandiehadfield/?hl=en Commercial Cult Peer Group - Flipping the Pyramid https://flippingthepyramid.com/ Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation and find other pods and resources → https://isthisacultbook.com/ If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/ MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider ing this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing also s the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8giving

The Seek Safely Summit, hosted by Anne Peterson, focuses on the mission to create a safer and more ethical self-help and wellness industry. The conversation highlights the tragic story of Kirby Brown, who died during a poorly run self-help retreat, leading her family to establish Seek Safely. The organization aims to educate consumers, advocate for ability in the industry, and promote responsible practices among self-help practitioners. The discussion also addresses the challenges faced in raising awareness and the vision for a future where seeking personal development is respected and safe. TAKEAWAYS The Seek Safely Summit aims to create a safer self-help industry. Kirby Brown's tragic death led to the formation of Seek Safely. Education and awareness are crucial for consumer protection. The self-help industry needs ability structures. Seeking personal development should be a safe endeavor. The mission is to honor Kirby's memory through positive change. Advocacy for ethical practices in wellness is essential. Challenges include media sensationalism and lack of interest in systemic issues. The future vision includes a respected self-help community. The importance of discerning safe practices in personal development. RESOURCES & LINKS Check out https://www.seeksafely.org/ or the SEEKSafely SUMMIT https://ilumn8.life/op/the-seek-safely-summit/ Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/ MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider ing this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing also s the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8giving

In this episode, I introduce my new producer partner, Tony Barros-Limon, as we dive into the complexities of personal development—especially our shared experiences with Landmark Worldwide. We reflect on insights from Season One (2024), the role of ability in transformation, and the highs and lows of reinventing oneself. From the structure of large group awareness trainings to the challenges of reshaping relationships post-Landmark, we explore what it means to truly evolve beyond these teachings. We also examine the impact of trauma, the limitations of Landmark’s methods, and the need for critical questioning. Are these organizations fostering real growth, or are they high-control environments masking deeper issues? We challenge the common misconceptions about transformation, emphasizing that true change isn’t just about declaring oneself "transformed"—it requires ongoing reflection, reconciliation, and safe spaces for healing.This conversation we invite our listeners to question their beliefs, engage in deeper discussions, and rethink the way personal development is approached. GENERAL RESOURCES & LINKS Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-... MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider ing this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing also s the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8g...

In this conversation, Anne L Peterson, Brian Nord, and Erik Rojas discuss their experiences with Landmark Worldwide, a high control organization. They explore the challenges of leaving such an environment, the impact of speaking out publicly about their experiences, and the emotional and mental struggles that come with questioning long-held beliefs. The discussion highlights the importance of community, the complexities of personal development, and the courage required to confront the darker aspects of self-help organizations.TAKEAWAYS: ** The transition from being a part of a high control organization to leaving it is complex and emotionally challenging.** Speaking out about personal experiences can lead to healing and community .** Many individuals in high control organizations struggle with questioning their beliefs and experiences after leaving.** The culture within organizations like Landmark can lead to emotional and physical abuse, which is often normalized.** Finding a new community after leaving a high control organization can be a significant source of healing.** The tools and teachings from self-help organizations can be both beneficial and harmful, depending on the context.** It's essential to recognize and address exploitation within self-help and personal development spaces.** Courage to question long-held beliefs is crucial for personal growth and recovery.** The impact of leaving a high control organization can affect personal relationships and mental health.** Recovery is an ongoing process that requires time, reflection, and .RESOURCES & LINKS Watch Brian and Erik’s show    / @howdidigetherechannel   If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-... To learn about and a safer and more ethical self-development industry check out https://www.seeksafely.org/ or the SEEKSafely SUMMIT https://ilumn8.life/op/the-seek-safel... Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-... MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider ing this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing also s the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8g...

In this conversation, former est Trainer and early Forum leader, Ed Gurowitz Ph.D., shares insights about the 6 Day program, a unique transformational training experience that emphasized safety, integrity and going beyond personal limits. It is legendary in the Landmark/Werner Erhard circles. The discussion covers the program's history, structure, and the experiential learning processes involved. While we have found many stories about the dangers of the est training and the Forum, we have heard almost nothing but huge praise for the course known as the 6 Day. AND as we have heard about some terrible outcomes of these types of encounter programs in the modern era, such as James Arthur Ray and the Spiritual Warrior program in which 3 people lost their lives, I wondered what we could learn from the apparent success, including the safety record, of the 6 Day. Ed reflects on the importance of leadership in creating a safe environment for participants and the challenges of maintaining integrity in personal development. The conversation concludes with thoughts on transformation as a continuous practice and the need for community . A bit about Ed … Ed Gurowitz, Ph.D. is a psychologist who has been on the leading edge of personal and organizational transformation for over 40 years. As a management consultant and leadership development specialist, he has worked with top executives all over the world on communication, collaboration, conflict resolution, and removing the barriers that keep people stuck in “good enough,” allowing them to emerge into their full greatness as leaders and as human beings. RESOURCES & LINKS If you are a practitioner of personal development or wellness programs, products or services and want to learn what it looks like to be a Safe Practioner consider ing us for the next Safe Practitioner's Workshop https://ilumn8.life/op/safe-practitioners-workshop/ If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-... Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs

In this conversation Anne, Mark and guest Dale Dickins discuss the challenges of speaking out publicly about the dark side of personal development companies like Landmark Worldwide. They explore the impact of Landmark on personal relationships and the illusion of completion in transformation, emphasizing the need for open conversations and the healing power of confronting the line between transformation and exploitation. The discussion highlights the importance of critical thinking, the emotional highs and lows experienced in self-help environments, and the often hidden consequences of involvement in these groups. For instance, Dale touches on the challenges with the dynamics of her family relationships and how the Landmark Forum impacted that. Anne shares the therapeutic journey of writing her book, the fear of community rejection, and the cathartic experience of questioning and sorting through it all. The three discuss the challenges of leaving high-control groups, the complexities of betrayal, and the importance of transparency in personal development. RESOURCES & LINKS Check out Dales Show Life After Landmark    / @lifeafterlandmark   Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-... FINALLY Please consider ing this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing also s the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8g...

In this conversation with guest Dr. Glenn Patrick Doyle we delve into the complexities of personal development, trauma recovery, and the often blurred lines between self-help and exploitation. Dr. Glenn specializes in complex PTSD, and shares with us the definitions and impacts of trauma, and the psychological mechanisms like dissociation that can arise from prolonged trauma. Our discussion emphasizes the importance of recognizing trauma symptoms, the ongoing nature of recovery, and the need for safe and ethical practices in self-help and therapy. TAKEAWAYS Self-help can provide hope and tools for recovery. Complex PTSD is often misunderstood and under diagnosed. Dissociation serves as a defense mechanism in trauma survivors. Trauma can overwhelm one's ability to function. Recovery is a continuous process, not a one-time event. Understanding the nuances of trauma can aid in healing. Labels can be both helpful and limiting in mental health. It's crucial to seek safe and ethical self-help practices. The intersection of addiction and trauma is significant. Awareness of trauma symptoms is the first step towards recovery. ABOUT Dr Glenn Patrick Doyle Dr. Doyle entered the psychology field because of his interest in self-help and personal growth. He earned his Doctor of Psychology degree in 2008 and has been in private practice since 2011. Dr. Doyle’s clinical work has focused on inpatient and outpatient treatment of complex trauma, particularly adults who were abused or traumatized as children. He has presented multiple times at the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation and the American Psychological Association. Dr Glenn is ionate about making effective, safe, empowering psychological and behavioral tools available to as many people as possible and uses his social media @drdoylesays to reach a wider audience. He ed the SEEK board in 2019 and became Board President in 2021. #SEEKSafely RESOURCES & LINKS Get Dr Glenn’s awesome insights by following @DrDoyleSays on your favorite Socials You can also read up on his blog site https://useyourdamnskills.com/ Check out https://www.seeksafely.org/ or the SEEKSafely SUMMIT https://ilumn8.life/op/the-seek-safel... Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-... MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted.

In this conversation with guest, Dr Glenn Patrick Doyle, licensed psychologist and board president of SEEK Safely, we dive into the complexities of self-help culture, exploring its potential benefits and pitfalls.  Check out the SEEKSafely SUMMIT ⁠https://ilumn8.life/op/the-seek-safely-summit/⁠  We discuss the allure of self-help, the psychological dynamics that can lead individuals into high-control groups, and the fine line between genuine transformation and exploitation. The conversation also highlights the importance of critical thinking and awareness in navigating the self-help landscape, as well as the mission of SEEK Safely to create a safer environment for seekers. The discussion culminates in an announcement about the SEEK Safely Summit, aimed at educating consumers and promoting ethical practices in the self-help industry. ABOUT Dr Glenn Patrick Doyle Dr. Doyle entered the psychology field because of his interest in self-help and personal growth. He earned his Doctor of Psychology degree in 2008 and has been in private practice since 2011. Dr. Doyle’s clinical work has focused on inpatient and outpatient treatment of complex trauma, particularly adults who were abused or traumatized as children. He has presented multiple times at the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation and the American Psychological Association. Dr Glenn is ionate about making effective, safe, empowering psychological and behavioral tools available to as many people as possible and uses his social media @drdoylesays to reach a wider audience. He ed the SEEK board in 2019 and became Board President in 2021.  #SEEKSafely  RESOURCES & LINKS  Get Dr Glenn’s awesome insights by following @DrDoyleSays on your favorite Socials You can also read up on his blog site https://useyourdamnskills.com/  Check out https://www.seeksafely.org/ or the SEEKSafely SUMMIT https://ilumn8.life/op/the-seek-safely-summit/  Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs  If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Berstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/  MODERATION NOTE:  While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted.  FINALLY  Please consider ing this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel.  Contributing also s the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE.  https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8giving

In this episode, we explore the concept of weaponized empathy. We look at how empathy can be manipulated and used as a tool for control with the end justifies the means argument and how this moral theme is common in high-control groups, cults or culty groups and extremist ideologies. And what about the weaponization of empathy in the context of misinformation and narcissism? Often these people then become true believers who go to extreme lengths to spread the group's message and defend it, often causing harm to themselves and others in the process. We discussed how to recognize and protect oneself from being taken advantage of by weaponized empaths who mean well. In this part of the conversation, Chris discusses the process of deprogramming and deconstructing cult mindsets. He emphasizes the importance of physical safety, resources, and a network in the early stages of leaving a cult. He also highlights the need for post-cult education and self-work to undo the indoctrination and build resilience. LINKS & RESOURCES Check out Chris’s Podcast/Show Speaking of Cults https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF326xyA0QHI7Z5xAwKQDJg Get Anne’s Book https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs The Heathy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Berstein The purpose is to create a comionate and ive space where people can recover, heal, grow and reclaim their lives and autonomy. https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/ MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider ing this channel and helping me to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing to s the learning and healing needs of folks waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8giving

Meet Gerette Buglion, author and educator. In this conversation we delve into the complexities of public discourse, cultural homogeneity, personal insights, and the dynamics of language and communication. We reflect on our similar experiences having spent years involved in different high-control groups and the importance of critical thinking in program design, while also exploring themes of personal growth and identity. We took a look at some of the common being used a lot these days when discussing exploitation and abuse .. specifically we discuss what is and is not meant by Large Group Awareness Training (LGAT) and Indoctrination. We look forward to having Gerette back to discuss more in the future! About Gerette Buglion: Born a middle child of seven, it’s not surprising Gerette Buglion became a lifelong educator. From parent-child programs, to Special Ed and Primary School, she’s played many teacherly roles. She has found her sweet spot as a cult recovery educator and facilitator of her signature Writing to Reckon classes that survivors to create coherent narratives out of the chaos of coercive control. Her memoir An Everyday Cult details her master’s-level training in undue influence. Her greatest professional achievement to date is being co-founder of igotout.org and co-managing the #igotout movement whose mission of education, healing and prevention makes her heart sing. RESOURCES & LINKS Check out Gerette’s Reclaiming Autonomy Through the Written Word https://www.gerettebuglion.com/writin... A Writing Symposium for survivors of spiritual, religious and cultic abuse. Featuring Sarah Edmondson, Daniel Shw, Shelly Snow Pordea and Esther Friedman Get Anne’s Book https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs the Heathy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Berstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-... The purpose is to create a comionate and ive space where people can recover, heal, grow and reclaim their lives and autonomy. MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider ing this channel and helping me to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing to s the learning and healing needs of folks waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8g...

Chris Shelton MSc, Scientology survivor and coercive control expert ed us as guest this week. We had fun exploring the similarities between Scientology and Landmark Worldwide, two organizations that are known for their controversial practices and being accused of cult-like behavior. Similarities such as the cult-ish personalities around the founders, L. Ron Hubbard and Werner Erhard, and the lack of ability of such leaders. We also talked about the tactics used like emotional manipulation, the suppression of questioning, the power of social proof and the manipulation of beliefs. PLUS the influence of other cult leaders on Landmark and Scientology is undeniable. We compared the practices and beliefs of Landmark and Scientology. Landmark focuses on transformative learning and removing barriers to self-expression, while Scientology believes in the spiritual nature of humans and aims to remove past life trauma. Anything for a tax write off?! The goal of Landmark is to “transform the being of human being” and Scientology is to “clear” the planet. What’s the difference? Still searching. We discovered more similarities, such as the concept of recreation where individuals are trained to fully understand and duplicate another person's communication and the control mechanisms used in communication exercises in general. Well, Werner does acknowledge L. Ron in his authorized biography. Chris didn’t have any first hand knowledge of the supposed Scientology conspiracy to discredit Werner, beyond his being labeled a squirrel 🐿of course. He did give us some insider history of Scientology's infiltration operations into the IRS and political organizations for the purpose of influencing on a larger scale. Finally the conversation concludes with a discussion on the importance of recognizing and educating ourselves about manipulative tactics in order to protect our autonomy and rights. LINKS & RESOURCES Check out Chris’s Podcast/Show Speaking of Cults https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF326xyA0QHI7Z5xAwKQDJg Get Anne’s Book https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs Looking for understanding and check out the Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/ The purpose is to create a comionate and ive space where people can recover, heal, grow and reclaim their lives and autonomy. LINKS & RESOURCES Check out Chris’s Podcast/Show Speaking of Cults https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF326xyA0QHI7Z5xAwKQDJg Get Anne’s Book https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs The Heathy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein The purpose is to create a comionate and ive space where people can recover, heal, grow and reclaim their lives and autonomy. https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/ MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider ing this channel and helping me to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing to s the learning and healing needs of folks waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8giving

Welcome back Ed! In this conversation with our resident transformational technologies expert Ed Gurowitz we cover various topics including cult dynamics, the power of influence, the illusion of scarcity, and the impact of directed sharing. We also touched on the creation of special groups within an organization and the role of scarcity in creating value. The absorption of a powerful person's way of being into a group and the competition to be part of that group is covered. AND explore the concept of directed sharing and the manipulation of natural human tendencies. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of awareness and critical thinking in navigating these dynamics. Who is Ed? Ed Gurowitz, Ph.D. is a psychologist who has been on the leading edge of personal and organizational transformation for over 40 years. As a management consultant and leadership development specialist, he has worked with top executives all over the world on communication, collaboration, conflict resolution, and removing the barriers that keep people stuck in “good enough,” allowing them to emerge into their full greatness as leaders and as human beings. Regarding his human potential (aka Landmark) Ed did the est Training in 1978 and went on to be on staff in Werner Erhard's office, traveling and working directly with Werner, including on the "Project to Recreate the Training," which resulted in the creation of the Forum. He also worked at Tekniko until he left the network in 1991. Stay tuned for Ed’s forthcoming book on personal and organizational transformation! Ed’s current book: Inclusion, The Role of Leadership: Why We Are Separate, Why We Need to Come Together https://a.co/d/gvlPs35 RESOURCES: Healthy Healing and Recovery with Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/ Safe Practitioners Workshop https://ilumn8.life/op/safe-practitioners-workshop/ TAKEAWAYS: * Cult dynamics can be observed in various contexts, including organizations and societies. * The power of influence can lead individuals to absorb the way of being of a powerful person or group. * The illusion of scarcity can be used to create value and exclusivity. * Directed sharing can manipulate natural human tendencies to promote certain ideas or behaviors. * Awareness and critical thinking are essential in navigating these dynamics and avoiding manipulation. RESOURCES: LGAT / High-Control Recovery https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/ Anne's Book https://a.co/d/7uoGYRs 

In PART TWO of this conversation with Exene Paloma, we continue the discussion about how certain structures and hierarchies can replicate dominant power dynamics and exclude individuals based on their race, gender, or personality. We also examine the limitations of external interventions in communities and the importance of empowering individuals to develop their own solutions. The conversation highlights the need to challenge and dismantle oppressive systems and create inclusive spaces that respect diverse perspectives and experiences. We also examine the idea of self-made success and the role of privilege in achieving it. The need for a more collective and inclusive approach to personal development, rather than an individualistic one is highlighted. Again we emphasize the importance of questioning and critically examining the practices and beliefs within the self-help (aka personal development) industry. RESOURCES: https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/

"Dominance hierarchies, structures that are about people having power over other people inherently are to be questioned." ~ Exene Paloma In this conversation we question the power and privilege dynamics in the personal development space, with a focus on the Landmark Forum. Our guest, Exene Paloma, shares the experience as a former Landmark staff member and course supervisor. The conversation explores the hierarchical structure and power dynamics within Landmark and similar organizations. It discusses the influence of the source (Werner Erhard) and how his personality and ideas shape the culture of the organization. The conversation also delves into the concept of dominance hierarchies and the belief that power structures built on people having power over others are inherently flawed. Exene expresses skepticism towards top-down culture change and emphasizes the importance of empowering individuals and building structures that promote equality. In part of the conversation, Exene and Anne explore some of the manipulative tactics used in self-help programs, highlighting how these programs create an artificial environment to elicit emotional responses and then sell products or services. They also discuss the concept of integrity and how it is used as a tool for control and touch on the power dynamics within these programs and the pressure to conform to group norms. They also discuss the transferability of the insights gained in these programs to real-life situations and the limitations of self-help in addressing systemic issues. Finally, they draw parallels between self-help and marketing, highlighting the focus on personal improvement and the perpetuation of feelings of inadequacy for the purpose of ongoing sales. RESOURCES: We are offering group therapy sessions specifically for former Large Group Awareness Training (LGAT) and organizations or High Control Group employees, program leaders, program managers, business consultants, long-time volunteers and people who have participated with them. https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-group/

In part two of this conversation with Dr. John Hunter we discuss the concept of informed consent in the context of Large Group Awareness Trainings (LGATs) and explore the importance of providing participants with accurate information about the potential benefits and risks of these trainings. We also highlight the need for independent research to the claims made by Landmark Worldwide and the similar groups that put them on. Other topics discussed include the role of experience in creating transformation, the influence of group dynamics, and the stigma on mental health care. Overall, the discussion raises important questions about the ethical practices and transparency of LGATs. Dr. John and Anne reiterate the importance of critically examining the claims and risks associated with LGATs and highlight the need for transparency and informed consent, as well as the potential for both positive and negative experiences within these programs.. The conversation emphasizes the importance of open dialogue and the willingness to consider different perspectives. RESOURCES & LINKS Check out Dr. Johns Hunters work https://johnhunterphd.com/#about-me Dr John’s Article explaining LGATS in 1000 words or less https://thoughtleader.co.za/the-first... Video: Speaking of Cults...Are LGATs Actually Just Cults? (Chris Shelton & Dr John) -    • Speaking of Cults...Are LGATs Actuall...   The Safe Practitioner Workshop https://ilumn8.life/op/safe-practitio... Healthy Healing LGAT Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-...